[12:20] *** "bluebasser02" signed on at Sun Jul 24 12:20:16 2005.
[14:38] BoxOfLAME: and so, you see, i downloaded 'stronghold 2', which is based on 'stronghold', which is not anything to do with the old DOS game that I was playing with, but they're all totally schweet games
[14:38] BoxOfLAME: and you don't have all my vids, and i'm eating rice
[18:37] bluebasser02: i'm hungry
[19:00] bluebasser02: halo?
[19:07] BoxOfLAME: hello
[19:07] bluebasser02: helo
[19:08] bluebasser02: things are wierd now
[19:08] BoxOfLAME: :0 >: (
[19:08] bluebasser02: i hsould pic it for you
[19:08] bluebasser02: it's crazy now
[19:08] BoxOfLAME: /: 0
[19:08] bluebasser02: and i drank too much beer
[19:08] bluebasser02: way too much
[19:08] BoxOfLAME: >: *
[19:08] bluebasser02: yeah
[19:08] bluebasser02: my dad can drink too much beer
[19:08] bluebasser02: alrght
[19:08] bluebasser02: so sweet pics incoming
[19:09] BoxOfLAME: i'm going to play stronghold some more, now
[19:09] BoxOfLAME: you need to finish downloading vidz
[19:16] bluebasser02: i should azureues again eh?
[19:21] bluebasser02: begin picture viewing plz thx
[19:21] bluebasser02: (Link: http://photobucket.com/albums/b182/A-Day/)http://photobucket.com/albums/b182/A-Day/
[19:38] BoxOfLAME: 1
[19:38] bluebasser02: 1
[19:38] BoxOfLAME: why would you stop it?
[19:38] bluebasser02: i don't remember
[19:38] bluebasser02: oh man
[19:38] bluebasser02: tired
[19:38] bluebasser02: ughn
[19:38] BoxOfLAME: new flowers page (Link: http://togos/~tog/sites/dp.net/httpdocs/Photos/)(Link: http://togos/~tog/sites/dp.net/httpdocs/Photos/)http://togos/~tog/sites/dp.net/httpdocs/Photos/
[19:38] bluebasser02: see sweet pics?
[19:38] BoxOfLAME: 1
[19:39] bluebasser02: togosspeedlunch
[19:39] BoxOfLAME: your browser is gay
[19:39] bluebasser02: your url is gay
[19:39] BoxOfLAME: and i gave you the wrong link
[19:39] BoxOfLAME: in any case, that's not a togosspeedlunch url
[19:39] BoxOfLAME: (Link: http://www.dianneandpaul.net/Photos/)http://www.dianneandpaul.net/Photos/
[19:39] BoxOfLAME: ditch firefox plz thx
[19:40] BoxOfLAME: you look really silly up on all that stuff
[19:40] bluebasser02: select a group plz thx
[19:40] BoxOfLAME: 'look at me! i've monitor shoes!'
[19:40] bluebasser02: yo!
[19:40] BoxOfLAME: yeah, prarie's the only one that works
[19:41] bluebasser02: lol
[19:41] bluebasser02: i didn't notice the shoeyness
[19:41] bluebasser02: lol
[19:41] BoxOfLAME: 11
[19:42] bluebasser02: i should call that picture monitor shoes
[19:42] BoxOfLAME: have you gotten an electric bill yet?
[19:42] bluebasser02: no
[19:42] bluebasser02: i don't really want one
[19:42] BoxOfLAME: 11
[20:06] BoxOfLAME: instead of d5, i think i'll do something less ambitious
[20:06] BoxOfLAME: probably in java
[20:06] bluebasser02: D-:
[20:07] bluebasser02: shockwave plz thx
[20:07] BoxOfLAME: i don't know how to do this in that
[20:07] bluebasser02: lingo
[20:07] BoxOfLAME: lingo is weird
[20:07] bluebasser02: i don't know it
[20:07] bluebasser02: why wierd?
[20:08] BoxOfLAME: it tries to be english
[20:08] bluebasser02: oh gay
[20:08] BoxOfLAME: i don't think shockwave was really meant for this type of thing
[20:08] bluebasser02: englsh isn't great for programming
[20:08] bluebasser02: what is it?
[20:08] BoxOfLAME: basically D4, but more cleaner
[20:08] BoxOfLAME: and more networky
[20:08] BoxOfLAME: but less networky
[20:09] bluebasser02: java sucks
[20:09] BoxOfLAME: networky in the spore manner, rather than the quake manner
[20:09] BoxOfLAME: yeah it does, but it beats C++ when doing lots of network-type things
[20:09] bluebasser02: what, appllets?
[20:09] bluebasser02: c#?
[20:09] BoxOfLAME: and AFAIK you can't make cross-platform applets with .NET
[20:10] BoxOfLAME: it also has libs for all the sockets and urls and things
[20:10] bluebasser02: your users will use windows
[20:10] bluebasser02: and by the time your done
[20:10] bluebasser02: mono wll sucks less
[20:10] bluebasser02: oh java's realy gay tho
[20:10] bluebasser02: you have to patch streams together
[20:10] BoxOfLAME: yeah i'll see how it goes
[20:11] bluebasser02: asp
[20:11] BoxOfLAME: :-?
[20:11] bluebasser02: um
[20:11] bluebasser02: active server paegs prolly not good idea
[20:11] BoxOfLAME: mmhmm
[20:12] bluebasser02: you could javaswcript a lot
[20:12] bluebasser02: javascript sucks less
[20:13] BoxOfLAME: i tried that, and it sucked
[20:13] bluebasser02: boo
[20:13] bluebasser02: well good luck
[20:14] bluebasser02: you should make it a community project
[20:14] bluebasser02: and keep it all in your head
[20:14] BoxOfLAME: blah
[20:14] bluebasser02: and get defdensive when it's dumb
[20:14] BoxOfLAME: no thx
[20:14] bluebasser02: you have 1337 design skillz d00d
[20:14] bluebasser02: you could call yourself toog
[20:15] bluebasser02: or ttog
[20:15] BoxOfLAME: 11
[20:16] BoxOfLAME: so, the idea is that you go around and can claim rooms
[20:16] BoxOfLAME: once someone claims a room, they can put blocks and crap anywhere they want in it
[20:16] bluebasser02: hmm
[20:17] BoxOfLAME: maybe have to build pipelines in order to claim new rooms
[20:17] bluebasser02: surround rooms to claim all inside
[20:17] BoxOfLAME: hmm
[20:17] bluebasser02: or do it like go
[20:17] bluebasser02: go's a sweet game
[20:17] bluebasser02: and you do't have to kill to win
[20:18] bluebasser02: and some guy can sit on his land and plant flowers
[20:18] BoxOfLAME: too hard to tell what's going on
[20:18] BoxOfLAME: you only really see one room at a time
[20:18] bluebasser02: the rules are simple
[20:18] bluebasser02: hm
[20:18] BoxOfLAME: i think better to claim a room at a time
[20:19] bluebasser02: well it's simpler
[20:19] BoxOfLAME: i want all the smarts to be client-side, this time
[20:19] bluebasser02: hm
[20:19] BoxOfLAME: server just stores rooms
[20:19] bluebasser02: server could map room connections room owners
[20:19] BoxOfLAME: players never see eachother, just rooms
[20:19] BoxOfLAME: room connections room owners?
[20:20] BoxOfLAME: but they can leave traps and things
[20:20] bluebasser02: the server knows who owns what room
[20:20] bluebasser02: and what rooms connect to what rooms
[20:20] BoxOfLAME: right
[20:20] BoxOfLAME: and what's in the rooms
[20:21] BoxOfLAME: server is like a 10 line PHP script
[20:21] bluebasser02: so is it really much more of a stretch to add some rules to capture surrounded rooms?
[20:21] BoxOfLAME: no
[20:21] bluebasser02: clients know when they've surrounded something
[20:21] BoxOfLAME: but it'd be hard for the players
[20:21] BoxOfLAME: they can find out easily enough
[20:21] BoxOfLAME: basically do a flood fill on the room graph
[20:21] BoxOfLAME: like D4, it's not necessarily planar
[20:22] bluebasser02: clients could have a list of rooms they have
[20:22] BoxOfLAME: actually i'd like a large cyllinder
[20:22] BoxOfLAME: they could, it doesn't really matter
[20:22] bluebasser02: alert players when ownership of rooms changes
[20:22] BoxOfLAME: that way you can walk around the world, but you can also find new places always
[20:23] BoxOfLAME: can't do it real-time
[20:23] BoxOfLAME: only when they reload
[20:23] bluebasser02: turn-based?
[20:23] BoxOfLAME: n
[20:23] bluebasser02: hm
[20:23] BoxOfLAME: just completely asynchronous, like spore
[20:23] bluebasser02: can't you keep the connection open?
[20:23] bluebasser02: you can do turn-based...
[20:23] BoxOfLAME: it's not really a network game, it just happens that you're loading and saving data to a web server
[20:24] BoxOfLAME: no connections, just files
[20:24] BoxOfLAME: which happen to be loaded via http
[20:24] bluebasser02: hm
[20:24] BoxOfLAME: if you don't keep your room alive (via a pipeline), people can steal it when it gets old
[20:25] bluebasser02: interesting
[20:25] bluebasser02: i dunno
[20:25] bluebasser02: maybe one day i'll make a game with rooms like go
[20:25] BoxOfLAME: your pipes can also serve as teleporters
[20:25] bluebasser02: what's this pipeline business
[20:25] BoxOfLAME: or maybe that should be a separate kind of pipe
[20:26] BoxOfLAME: well that's how you keep your rooms alive - you build pipes to them from your base
[20:27] bluebasser02: the pipes could be strings of rooms
[20:27] BoxOfLAME: well they have to go through strings of rooms
[20:27] BoxOfLAME: unless you 'buy a wormhole' :)
[20:27] bluebasser02: that yoiu own?
[20:27] BoxOfLAME: right
[20:27] BoxOfLAME: although...
[20:27] BoxOfLAME: you could leave someone else's pipes in your room
[20:27] bluebasser02: it'd be cool if i could take over joe's room that has a joe pipe in it, and hen i'd break the pipe
[20:28] BoxOfLAME: yeah you could
[20:28] BoxOfLAME: or leave it there if you want to be friendly
[20:28] bluebasser02: interesting
[20:28] BoxOfLAME: but this all has to be taken care of on the client side, somehow
[20:28] BoxOfLAME: because i want the server to be very simple so it can run on any old web hosting service
[20:28] bluebasser02: you could be the UN and try to maintain rooms with lots of different ipes
[20:28] BoxOfLAME: 1
[20:29] bluebasser02: oooo
[20:29] bluebasser02: uwplatt.edu/~stevenda/pipes
[20:29] bluebasser02: cept
[20:29] bluebasser02: you'd need a server
[20:29] BoxOfLAME: well you need php
[20:29] BoxOfLAME: or cgi
[20:29] BoxOfLAME: or something
[20:29] bluebasser02: or give everyone your passowrd
[20:29] BoxOfLAME: so that you can recieve and store user's data
[20:30] BoxOfLAME: rather use HTTP.
[20:30] BoxOfLAME: GET and PUT. really simple
[20:30] bluebasser02: ah
[20:30] bluebasser02: send
[20:30] bluebasser02: mode
[20:30] bluebasser02: egt
[20:30] bluebasser02: blah
[20:30] bluebasser02: ftp
[20:30] bluebasser02: ftp's less fun
[20:30] BoxOfLAME: you could just as easily run it on a shared filesystem
[20:31] bluebasser02: lan with a smb directory for pipeserv
[20:31] BoxOfLAME: 1
[20:32] bluebasser02: ooo
[20:33] bluebasser02: base->*pie thru rooms->build new pipestation
[20:33] bluebasser02: pipes further from pipestations easier to break?
[20:33] bluebasser02: i dunno
[20:33] BoxOfLAME: maybe
[20:34] bluebasser02: pipestations indepenedent units
[20:34] BoxOfLAME: 1
[20:34] BoxOfLAME: you need to hold rooms for a while to build one, though
[20:34] bluebasser02: yeah
[20:34] bluebasser02: if you had more pipes going into room, build it faster
[20:34] BoxOfLAME: you get score for holding rooms
[20:35] bluebasser02: from a pipestation you are allowed to build pipes of large diameter
[20:35] BoxOfLAME: well, diameter would be trickier
[20:35] BoxOfLAME: i mean, to have physiclly larger pipes would be tricky
[20:35] bluebasser02: extending pipes would graduially reduce diamter and toughness
[20:35] bluebasser02: wel it's not physically larger really
[20:36] bluebasser02: it's just a way for restricting pipe length
[20:36] BoxOfLAME: i'll just call it pipe strenght
[20:36] bluebasser02: oka
[20:36] bluebasser02: y
[20:36] BoxOfLAME: strength
[20:36] BoxOfLAME: and it's not actually strength of the pipe
[20:36] BoxOfLAME: it's pressure from the pump :)
[20:36] bluebasser02: but maybe you could have a 10 diameter pipe and have two 4 diameter pipes coming off it
[20:36] BoxOfLAME: oooh ooh
[20:36] bluebasser02: well strength could be like thzat too
[20:36] BoxOfLAME: you have to build pumps near resovoirs
[20:36] BoxOfLAME: however that's spelled
[20:37] bluebasser02: pipestations are resivours
[20:37] bluebasser02: upgrade pipestations for increased strength
[20:37] bluebasser02: maximum strength that is
[20:37] BoxOfLAME: only having naturally occuring resivours would be more interesting
[20:37] bluebasser02: can't build pipes from pipestations that don't have incoming pipes
[20:37] bluebasser02: hmmm
[20:37] BoxOfLAME: well you can build all the pipes you want
[20:38] BoxOfLAME: it's just that they don't help if they don't have juice flowing
[20:38] bluebasser02: ic
[20:38] bluebasser02: yeah resiviors are cool
[20:38] bluebasser02: give stations juice via pumping
[20:38] BoxOfLAME: mmhmm
[20:38] bluebasser02: you could make storage tanks
[20:38] bluebasser02: juice for a while
[20:39] BoxOfLAME: build a fountain in a room to claim it
[20:39] bluebasser02: lol
[20:39] BoxOfLAME: must be connected to pipes
[20:39] BoxOfLAME: uses juice
[20:39] bluebasser02: yeah sure
[20:39] bluebasser02: fountains dont really use juice tho
[20:39] bluebasser02: fountians just squirt it
[20:39] BoxOfLAME: ?
[20:39] BoxOfLAME: oh
[20:40] bluebasser02: pee in your opponents fountains to damage his juice effectiveness
[20:40] BoxOfLAME: well they use up pressure
[20:40] BoxOfLAME: 11
[20:40] BoxOfLAME: well remember that each time you want enemies to see changes to a room you must upload it
[20:40] BoxOfLAME: and all the rules are on the client side
[20:40] bluebasser02: yeah
[20:40] bluebasser02: maeks stuff hard
[20:40] BoxOfLAME: so being able to re-claim rooms at all makes it tricky
[20:40] bluebasser02: folks can be working on obsoleted stuff
[20:40] BoxOfLAME: who enforces rules, you know
[20:41] bluebasser02: before you claim you must get the most recent version of the room
[20:41] BoxOfLAME: the client wouldn't let you change or upload a room that it thinks an opponent owns
[20:41] BoxOfLAME: yeah
[20:42] bluebasser02: it would be good
[20:42] bluebasser02: um
[20:42] bluebasser02: if you knew about room neighbors
[20:42] bluebasser02: those are the folks that may start claiming stuff shortly
[20:42] bluebasser02: tho wormhoels make that less effective
[20:43] BoxOfLAME: eh??
[20:43] bluebasser02: um
[20:43] bluebasser02: uh
[20:43] bluebasser02: man
[20:43] bluebasser02: i don't know yet
[20:43] bluebasser02: thikin
[20:44] bluebasser02: you'd ahve to reload status of your own rooms periodically
[20:44] bluebasser02: or uh
[20:44] bluebasser02: well
[20:44] bluebasser02: capturers would tell the server
[20:44] bluebasser02: hey i capped joe's room\
[20:44] bluebasser02: joe just has to find out about this soon
[20:45] bluebasser02: um
[20:46] bluebasser02: can server sned messages?
[20:46] bluebasser02: no it cant
[20:46] bluebasser02: um
[20:46] bluebasser02: can players send messages to other players?
[20:47] bluebasser02: hey dude, i ust taolly fountained your room
[20:47] bluebasser02: that's what's good about java
[20:47] BoxOfLAME: yeah you'll need to reload sometimes
[20:47] BoxOfLAME: makin popcr0n miong garbage
[20:47] bluebasser02: you can get player IPs and stuff off server and clients talk to one another
[20:47] BoxOfLAME: sure
[20:47] bluebasser02: so like
[20:48] bluebasser02: the next time joe does any refresh
[20:48] BoxOfLAME: user info pages will store AIM info ;)
[20:48] bluebasser02: he gets notified he got a room of his capped
[20:48] bluebasser02: lol
[20:48] BoxOfLAME: meh
[20:48] BoxOfLAME: the client will notify you if when you reload it has changed ownership
[20:48] BoxOfLAME: also will notify when your ownership about to expire
[20:49] bluebasser02: so joe caps bob's room, and immediatly joe messages bob, "joe capped your room bob"
[20:49] bluebasser02: joe's room is getting old, so joe's client says, "hey joe, room aashitty is about to expire d00d"
[20:50] bluebasser02: on reload eh?
[20:52] bluebasser02: hah, you could make an AIM bot do the room ownership notifies
[20:54] BoxOfLAME: you could, i don't think i will
[20:54] bluebasser02: if you did this in shockwave
[20:54] bluebasser02: you could use it's IRC widgets
[20:56] bluebasser02: but that's not enough reason to use shockwave, though it'd be sweet
[20:56] BoxOfLAME: you can buy fountain bombs
[20:56] BoxOfLAME: the weaker the fountain, the longer it takes to repair itself
[20:56] BoxOfLAME: need lots of bombs to destroy a strong fountain
[20:57] BoxOfLAME: rooms without fountains can be claimed instantly
[20:57] BoxOfLAME: but you can place portable fountains that expire on their own
[20:57] bluebasser02: fountain strength is dependent on incoming pipe pressure
[20:58] BoxOfLAME: 1
[20:58] bluebasser02: differeent kinds of fountains behave differently
[20:58] BoxOfLAME: 1
[20:58] bluebasser02: there are some that use as much pressure as possible
[20:59] bluebasser02: there are others that tone down the pressure they use once the room is claimed
[20:59] BoxOfLAME: because this game can become infinitely large, users should have some way of saying what rooms they want to refresh
[20:59] bluebasser02: there are others that increase used pressure based on incoming fountain bomb attack
[20:59] bluebasser02: these are hard to kill
[20:59] BoxOfLAME: hmm
[20:59] BoxOfLAME: but will eat your pressure
[20:59] bluebasser02: oh yeah
[20:59] bluebasser02: you could script fountain behacior
[21:00] bluebasser02: maybe you have to research something to be able to script fountain behavior in cooler ways
[21:00] bluebasser02: or you can connect ethernet to your fountains and communicate with them
[21:00] bluebasser02: to change their behavrio
[21:01] bluebasser02: and maybe
[21:01] bluebasser02: you can only "see" rooms that have ethernet in them and have vision sensors in them
[21:01] BoxOfLAME: heh
[21:01] BoxOfLAME: hmm
[21:01] bluebasser02: when someone captures a room and kills your pipe, your pressure's gonna drop
[21:02] BoxOfLAME: the original idea was you'd have to walk over to a room to see it
[21:02] bluebasser02: open tabs in mozilla to see multiple seeable rooms at once
[21:02] BoxOfLAME: so you want to build teleport pipes so you can get around your territory
[21:03] bluebasser02: it'd be cool to have vision sensros, fountains, and builders
[21:03] bluebasser02: "you" can be a pipestation
[21:03] BoxOfLAME: hmm\
[21:03] bluebasser02: string ethernet along your rooms to coomunicate with builders in the field
[21:04] bluebasser02: otherwise dispatch builders/bombers/whoever blindly from your pipestation
[21:04] BoxOfLAME: that'd be interesting
[21:04] bluebasser02: : )
[21:04] BoxOfLAME: i like the 'you're just a dude' approach though
[21:04] bluebasser02: lol
[21:04] BoxOfLAME: so it's an adventure game
[21:04] bluebasser02: it's cute
[21:05] BoxOfLAME: not just a strategy game
[21:05] bluebasser02: explore with scouts
[21:05] BoxOfLAME: if you don't care about score
[21:05] bluebasser02: they can be dispathced, return, and upload what they've learned
[21:05] BoxOfLAME: you can just wander off and check out other people's mazes and things
[21:05] BoxOfLAME: find treasure
[21:06] bluebasser02: a :dude" would be a scount that's going through rooms with firendly ethernet connectivity
[21:06] BoxOfLAME: "D
[21:06] bluebasser02: y
[21:06] BoxOfLAME: meh
[21:06] BoxOfLAME: that's getting complicated
[21:07] bluebasser02: it's reducing what you're refreshing
[21:07] BoxOfLAME: you have to refresh all rooms that you get score from
[21:07] bluebasser02: "score"
[21:07] bluebasser02: meh
[21:07] bluebasser02: what is "score" for
[21:07] BoxOfLAME: need it to build stuff
[21:08] bluebasser02: you should get resources to build
[21:08] BoxOfLAME: score/resources, same thing
[21:08] bluebasser02: well not neccessairly
[21:08] BoxOfLAME: in this game, i think
[21:08] bluebasser02: say you need to have a resource deposit
[21:08] bluebasser02: mine it
[21:08] bluebasser02: and use what you mined to build
[21:08] bluebasser02: holding rooms just allows you to string ethernet cable and pipelines
[21:09] BoxOfLAME: hmm
[21:09] bluebasser02: same idea for resiviors
[21:09] bluebasser02: we could be piping gas
[21:10] bluebasser02: instead of fountains
[21:10] bluebasser02: you have lamps
[21:10] bluebasser02: lamps let you see
[21:10] BoxOfLAME: with enough :/
[21:10] bluebasser02: nonononono
[21:10] bluebasser02: nm
[21:10] bluebasser02: lamps bad
[21:10] BoxOfLAME: 1
[21:10] bluebasser02: fountains claim stuff
[21:10] BoxOfLAME: i think so
[21:10] BoxOfLAME: actually -
[21:10] bluebasser02: fountains don't score tho
[21:10] BoxOfLAME: if you upload a room, nobody else can upload for some time
[21:10] BoxOfLAME: that is server enforced
[21:10] bluebasser02: ...
[21:10] BoxOfLAME: maybe a minute
[21:11] BoxOfLAME: so that if you walk into a room, build pipe through it
[21:11] BoxOfLAME: someone else who loaded the room just before you did won't save over it
[21:11] BoxOfLAME: or just after you did
[21:11] BoxOfLAME: it'll have a timestamp on it
[21:11] bluebasser02: client capturing a room notifies all other clients that he capped that room. clients won't allow themselves to cap that room for some time, tho i don't know if that time iea is really good
[21:12] BoxOfLAME: so that people don't accidentally clobber eachother's changes
[21:12] BoxOfLAME: actually
[21:12] bluebasser02: 0: i'm claiming room A
[21:12] bluebasser02: 1: i'm claiming room A
[21:12] bluebasser02: 0: i have capped room A
[21:12] bluebasser02: 1: oh shit i just wasted work
[21:12] BoxOfLAME: i don't know that we need room 'ownership' except for that little delay to make sure of no accidental clobbering
[21:13] BoxOfLAME: right i want to avoid that kind of thing
[21:13] bluebasser02: yeah
[21:13] bluebasser02: eliminate fountains
[21:13] bluebasser02: if someone wants to kill your pipe
[21:13] bluebasser02: they go over and hit it
[21:13] BoxOfLAME: well there are still fountains
[21:13] bluebasser02: build defender bots
[21:13] BoxOfLAME: they just don't hold rooms
[21:13] bluebasser02: what do fonutains do
[21:13] BoxOfLAME: they generate profit
[21:14] BoxOfLAME: jk
[21:14] bluebasser02: lol
[21:14] BoxOfLAME: they get points for you
[21:14] BoxOfLAME: which you can spend on more stuff
[21:14] BoxOfLAME: hhmmmm :/
[21:15] BoxOfLAME: then you could build lots of founrains in a room and it'd be dumb
[21:15] bluebasser02: yes
[21:15] bluebasser02: fountinas would fight one another for presure maybe
[21:15] BoxOfLAME: maybe it should be like trading in AoE
[21:15] bluebasser02: and it would be less effective
[21:15] BoxOfLAME: pipes are like trade routes
[21:15] bluebasser02: maybe you'd need valves to regulate pressure
[21:16] bluebasser02: ah
[21:16] bluebasser02: you have "springs" of water
[21:16] bluebasser02: you suck water from springs
[21:16] bluebasser02: springs regen water at a certain rate
[21:16] BoxOfLAME: :/
[21:16] bluebasser02: and fountains consume water
[21:16] BoxOfLAME: i don't like the idea of using stuff up
[21:17] bluebasser02: building fountains in one area might dry a spring
[21:17] bluebasser02: springs would come back
[21:17] BoxOfLAME: how can other players tell how much pressure your fountain is getting?
[21:17] BoxOfLAME: they'd have to simulate all your stuff
[21:17] bluebasser02: valves would make more efficient use of water
[21:17] BoxOfLAME: and i don't like that
[21:18] bluebasser02: yeah i made it complicated
[21:18] bluebasser02: asteroids plz thx
[21:18] BoxOfLAME: 11
[21:18] BoxOfLAME: the original idea was that fountains would re-claim the room they were in every 10 mins or something
[21:19] bluebasser02: why's owning a room good?
[21:19] BoxOfLAME: prevents others from clobbering it
[21:19] bluebasser02: what's clobbering?
[21:19] BoxOfLAME: when they overwrite your data
[21:20] bluebasser02: so you have to hit a fountain before a pipe?
[21:20] BoxOfLAME: hit?
[21:20] bluebasser02: fountain must die
[21:20] bluebasser02: you must build fountain
[21:20] bluebasser02: tehn you may kill other player's pipe
[21:20] bluebasser02: if you want
[21:20] BoxOfLAME: originally you couldn't destroy stuff
[21:20] bluebasser02: it would just expire?
[21:20] BoxOfLAME: if you can then it's different
[21:20] BoxOfLAME: yeah
[21:21] bluebasser02: what if i don't want it to expire?
[21:21] BoxOfLAME: room onwnership expires with no fountain
[21:21] bluebasser02: i like bob's pipes
[21:21] BoxOfLAME: then you build a fountain
[21:21] BoxOfLAME: and protect the pipes that go to it
[21:21] bluebasser02: but jack's got his fountain in the room
[21:21] bluebasser02: but fountains claim rooms
[21:21] BoxOfLAME: pipes are pipes
[21:22] BoxOfLAME: doesn't matter who owns the room they're in
[21:22] bluebasser02: well i'm getting tired
[21:22] bluebasser02: dishes and sleepy time
[21:22] BoxOfLAME: hmok
[21:22] bluebasser02: gn
[21:22] BoxOfLAME: gn
Session Close (bluebasser02): Sun Jul 24 22:03:31 2005